Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down in person with Dr. John Vervaeke. They discuss the relationship between your calling and your conscience, the three dimensions of the sacred, how Descartes' famous “I think therefore I am” conclusion might be restructured in modern day, what exactly Socrates’s Daemon was, and the bridging of morality and meaning.

John Vervaeke is an Associate Professor in Cognitive Psychology and Cognitive Science at the University of Toronto. His work constructs a bridge between science and spirituality in order to understand the experience of meaningfulness and the cultivation of wisdom so as to afford awakening from the meaning crisis.

This episode was recorded on January 8th, 2024

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After Socrates (Series) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOwjmZx12gk&list=PLND1JCRq8Vuj6q5NP_fXjBzUT1p_qYSCC

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“Zombies in Western Culture: A Twenty-First Century Crisis” (book) https://www.amazon.com/Zombies-Western-Culture-Twenty-First-Century/dp/1783743298

"Mentoring the Machines: Orientation - Part One: Surviving the Deep Impact of the Artificially Intelligent Tomorrow" (Book) https://www.amazon.com/Mentoring-Machines-Orientation-Artificially-Intelligent/dp/1645010821/ref=sr_1_2?qid=1705353143&refinements=p_27%3AJohn+Vervaeke&s=books&sr=1-2&text=John+Vervaeke


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(0:00) Coming up
(0:25) Intro
(1:42) 2024 plans, The Philosophical Silk Road
(5:33) The Vervaeke Foundation
(6:44) Cataloguing John’s body of work, AI
(9:02) Mentoring the Machine
(10:35) Staying virtuously oriented
(13:40) Entropy, perceptions, assumptions, and the sacred
(16:30) Hyper priors, indexing social standing for the proportionality of response to negative stimuli
(18:35) The divine lies deeper, calling and conscience
(23:30) Three dimensions of the sacred
(26:16) There is either a unity or a plurality
(27:30) “The One” grounds out in effability
(28:56) Love comes from a feeling of “realness”
(30:00) Healing and the Gospels
(31:33) Piaget, Descartes, systems of insight
(34:54) Thought is a form of secularized prayer
(41:07) Nothing within or without
(43:45) Humility and resolution
(45:16) The landscape of the soul, parallels to Dante’s Inferno
(48:00) Idolatry, using hurt to smite pretensions
(49:41) Conscience and the ineffable
(54:11) Vervaeke’s Daemons
(57:32) The appearance of Hermes, transjective presence
(59:48) Embracing the relationship
(1:05:06) The eye at the top of the pyramid,
(1:09:48) When a text is inevitably transformative
(1:14:52) Sacred but not the One, searching for ultimacy
(1:19:36) A metaphysical concern with evil
(1:21:50) Plato’s pivot problem
(1:25:02) Job’s proposition
(1:27:36) Joe Versus the Volcano
(1:30:09) Why we disassociate from meaning, morality, and being
(1:32:31) For love or duty, morality and ethics
(1:36:37) Restoration of the religio without traditional organization


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